So, You Think You Want a Relationship?
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The man idealistically commits to monogamy with one woman…

…and ends up cheating behind her back.

He’s forced to act deceitful, sneak around, and feel guilty about what he’s doing.

If he’s lucky, he gets away with cheating and it doesn’t bother his conscience. If he’s not so lucky, terrible embarrassment ensues at getting caught, he loses half his assets in court, and the relationship or marriage is torn apart - often with children paying the price.

Then there are other men, perhaps the type that read Seduction Science, who come to the
realization that they don’t have to accept the goal of monogamy.

They move to the opposite extreme.

They’re aware of the limitations of monogamy, and like rebels overthrow the old traditions.

Their goal is to seduce and have sex with as many women as possible - with as little commitment as possible.

They sleep with any attractive woman they can get their hands on, only to immediately start working on their next opportunity.

Their relationship goal is to “be a player” or “be a pick-up artist”.

The drawback with this goal of quick and repeated lays is that you end up lacking sexual and spiritual intimacy with women.

Either you always have to have sex with a condom, or you put yourself at risk to catch some nasty diseases and risk spreading them to the other women you sleep with.

You miss out on all the feelings of pair-bonding with a woman, and miss out on having a history of shared experiences with another human being. You miss out on having a woman who is not only your lover, but also your best friend.

After a while, a life without a primary partner can feel somewhat empty, no matter how much sex you’re getting.

THE ALTERNATIVES BEYOND MONOGAMY OR PLAYER

Staying committed to one woman, or seducing women as a matter of fun and sport are the two goals that most men have.

In the short-term, either of these goals may work.

But in the long-term, neither of these goals is a very practical strategy for achieving lasting happiness. Either you’ll eventually end up sneaking around and cheating (the monogamist), or your life will lack emotional fulfillment (the player).

However, you CAN experience pair-bonding and deep intimacy with a woman AND include sexual variety in your life.

In fact, there are MANY relationship goals in between the right and left extremes of straight-laced monogamy and unfettered promiscuity.

Conventional Monogamy:

Here you find a girlfriend or wife for an exclusive, monogamous relationship. The fact is however, most monogamous relationships don’t stay that way.

The Pick-up Artist or Player:

Nail lots of girls, dumping the girl as soon as the next comes along in the endless quest for sexual variety. Keep your emotional distance to avoid commitment.

Primary Girlfriend as well as Secondaries:

This is when you have a primary girlfriend to emotionally pair bond with, yet you keep a few girls on the side for sex and fun. You also pick-up other secondaries when the opportunities present themselves. Your primary girlfriend is fully aware of what you’re doing and accepts your reality as part of the package of being with you… but emotionally, you are monogamous with her.

Multiple Primary Girlfriends:

This is when you have two or three primary girls to emotionally pair bond with. You are building and nurturing long-lasting relationships with multiple girls. They all know about each other, but generally you keep the girls separate from each other.

The Harem Keeper:

This is when you keep any combination of primaries and secondaries who all know about each other AND engage in sexual play with one another. For example, you might have two primary girlfriends or a primary girlfriend and a secondary, and you all have threesomes.

The Swingers:

This is when you have one primary girl to pair bond with, and the two of you go to swinger’s clubs and swinger’s parties to meet other couples and women. You and your woman are “partners in crime”. All of the emotional connection is with your primary woman, and the couples you meet are for fun and sex only.

Threesome-Seeking Couple:

This is when you and your primary girl that you emotionally pair bond with go on the hunt to seduce other women for threesomes. You and your primary read Seduction Science together. The women you seduce are for fun and play only, and your primary girlfriend isn’t worried that you’ll leave her.

Many men derive satisfaction in including their primary partner in their sexual escapades; seducing women for threesomes as a couple, or going to swinger clubs as a couple.

Other men prefer to play the “puppet master” and pull all the strings of the relationships; keeping a harem, or keeping a primary girlfriend while seducing secondaries on their own,

Decide what goal is best for you.

Of course, if you still hold monogamy as your ideal and ultimate goal, there’s nothing wrong with that - as long as you have consciously chosen that as your goal. Then do everything you can to make it happen.

And sometimes sleeping with a lot of women is not a bad goal if your main concern is to gain experience. If you’re a virgin, you may need to sleep with and experience a few women to even decide what goal best suits you in the first place.

No matter what relationship goal you choose, set the frame early on with women about the terms of the relationship and don’t bend under pressure. If your frame of reality is stronger than hers, most likely she’ll go along with you.

If a woman stubbornly refuses to cooperate with your life’s goals, save yourself a lot of head-aches. Move on. Although there’s a vast sea of every type of woman out there, not every girl out there is for you.

Now what if you’re already married? What if you’re already in a monogamous relationship with a steady girlfriend? And what if, presented with all the options, you wish you could have made a different choice!

If you set the frame of the relationship right away from the very beginning, most women will go along with it.

But if you’re already six months or more into a monogamous relationship, most women will feel emotionally threatened and betrayed if you suggest to her that you’re going to have a few flings with secondaries on the side.

That’s why I DON’T recommend that you blurt out to your established monogamous partner about your dream to build a harem of bi-sexual love bunnies.

Instead, INVOLVE your monogamous partner in setting a new frame for the relationship - gradually.

For example, a good first step would be to take your monogamous partner to a swinger’s club. Just hang out at the dance floor where the action is rated R instead of triple X. Put all of your attention on your partner. The purpose is to get her comfortable with the idea of extracurricular sex, and demonstrate to her that just because you see another woman’s naked boobs, you’re not going to leave her.

Gradually your monogamous partner will come to realize that threesome sex and sex with other couples will not jeopardize your emotional connection with her. This is very important. You must build that trust and comfort in her that your emotional connection and pair bond with her will remain monogamous. Then she’ll relax.

Now, whichever relationship goal you choose, Seduction Science will help get you there. Because whichever goal you choose, you need the same skills of seduction whether it’s in finding a string of casual partners, or finding that one special woman, or finding a woman who in turn will seduce other women for you.

The ultimately point being, have a clear goal of what kind of relationship you want. That way you’ll be able to hone in on exactly what you want without flying blind, wasting time, or getting stuck in a situation you didn’t want in the first place.

Secondly, be up front with women about your relationship goals early on. Set the terms of the relationship, enforce them, and don’t back down. Otherwise, if you act wishy-washy and inconsistently about the deal, SHE will set the terms of the relationship. This is called being “pussy-whipped” and it’s a hard pit to crawl out of.

(P.S. just because you’re in a monogamous relationship doesn’t mean you are “pussy-whipped” - provided that being in a monogamous relationship is YOUR goal and is a frame actively being set by YOU)

Remember, with this knowledge YOU are in control your own reality. You have the power to build your dream life however YOU want.

And if you’ve already abdicated control to someone else, you can start taking it BACK.

If you’ve found truth in what I’m saying, continue the journey with my Seduction Science 3.0, Get The Girlfriend course :

Your Friend,

Derek


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  1. athena
    June 5, 2008

    im glad this was addressed. im surprised how many guys (and girls) are so limited by the terms we give relationships. i mean, there are TONS of different ways to have a relationship, but very few names for them. for some reason, we always try to make what we have fit into the label, rather than finding a label for what we already have. then, if what you have doesnt fit into one these boxes, you think its flawed.

    also, there is some idea that you have to find one of these boxes, or you are a bad person. so many people dont really stop and think “what do i want out of a relationship?” “what rules and restrictions fit my life?” they try to live a life that was pre-decided, and hurt each others feelings when its just not he truth. i mean, if a guy cheats, and he always cheats, but tries real hard not to… when he cheats again, he wont admit to himself or the girl that maybe hes just not into monogamy. so he continues to stifle himself and hurt the people he cares about.

    yeah, sure labels are easy - they come with rules and regulations that you dont have to explain. but this is SILLY. assumptions about what is “allowed” and what should be endured are dangerous. if you two dont see eye to eye about what constitutes “cheating”, one of you will hurt the other without even meaning to! dont make promises without knowing EXACTLY what those promises are. but thats what these labels do - calling yourself something is like agreeing to a set of rules, it implies the promises.

    so i say - dont call it anything. sit down with your girl from time to time and lay out EXACTLY what you want, what you are willing to do, and what you would consider hurtful. define the relationship on your own terms, dont let anything go assumed - and DEFINITELY dont offer to do anything you arent sure you can do. as long as you are honest with yourself, and honest with her, you cant go wrong.

  2. Zeo
    June 5, 2008

    This reminds me of this article I read about a porn star who’s in a committed relationship w/ 2 girls who love each other also. Its like a trilationship. That is my ultimate goal, lol, like Mystery’s. But for now I’m going to shoot for monogamy.

  3. KillSwitch
    June 6, 2008

    Oh my goodness…and I was just thinking to myself that a article like this should be posted. I wanted to ask everyone in this room that same question, “why did you join the community…to be a player or to find a girlfriend?”

    My answer to the above question is to find a girlfriend. My reason is simple, I was the nerd in high school…no girl looked at me twice and they laughed at the fact of dating me. So obviously, I didn’t do well with girls at the time. However, as I grew older and found sites like this and articles from David Deangelo and the like, I became more successful with women, funny thing is, it was the little things I was doing wrong (Dressing horrible, talking too much,etc..)

    Eventually, I found FR videos of Mystery in sets in clubs and what not. This is when I found out the player. I don’t know why, but I never saw myself living that lifestyle. The reason why I joined this community was too find a great girlfriend and this community is really helping me reach that end. I am now enjoying life a lot more and I am going on more dates than I ever have and I know that soon I will find that woman and have kids. So, Bobby and Mike thank you.

    -KillSwitch

  4. lilez0518
    June 6, 2008

    I feel you on that KillSwitch. In high school, i had my share of girls here and there, but it really didn’t always translate into me getting the girl that i actually wanted, it would be rather me being the one being pursued. Which in some cases were fine, because i eventually would become attracted to the girls. However, i after finding sites like this in the community, i realize that i don’t have to settle for just whatever comes my way, and that i can be selective and get the girl that i want.

  5. KillSwitch
    June 6, 2008

    Exactly Illez0518!! This community has helped me be more picky which is better because that way you get the best for you and not what every one wants for you.

    -KillSwitch

  6. Mike G
    June 7, 2008

    I didn’t believe it until I found one but there ARE women out there that will be your “girlfriend” (that’s not what I call her - we actually don’t call it anything but have a clear understanding of what each of us expects to get) and not have a problem with you meeting and possibly f’ing other chicks.

  7. sub5tance
    June 9, 2008

    One thing I think I have experienced is: that the girls who quickly get sucked into your ‘Game’ and respond well to the lines, routines, and techniques inspired by Mystery Method and RSD etc. are actually usually younger (20’s) and with less self-esteem. I have found that women who are older (35+ especially) and those who are already in relationships are much more self-assured and actually respond less well. Or rather they may feel attracted to you but they are less likely to act on that impulse (they are certainly very subtle with IOIs) and require a lot more work post-attraction. Risky generalisation alert: The ‘Game’ suits the fun/party/socializing/player lifestyle better - if you want a quality, centered, smart girl for a LTR then the Game may help but it will not be an easy fix. Even Style/Neil Strauss found that out with Lisa, his ‘quality’ GF towards the end of the book ‘The Game’ and its my experience too. Real quality girls tend to play *you* not the other way round even if you think you are being smart !!! :-(

  8. Tyler Moss
    June 9, 2008

    This is a great article.

    Most guys are eventually going to want a girlfriend. By having a really great girlfriend it frees up your time to excel in many areas of your life. This way you wont be chasing after all sorts of average women. You will have one great woman to help you accomplish your goals.

  9. Mike G
    June 10, 2008

    See I disagree Tyler. I think a traditional girlfriend takes more time than frees it up. If you are commited then you have obligations…even if she is an awesome girl. The goal for me is finding relationships that fit my lifestyle. One commited girl would hamper my life…a bullpen of several girls allows me to be selfish and take care of my desires/goals while having dope girls in my life. However, this is my theory!! I’ve yet to accomplish this goal in its entirety. And the chick I mentioned above flipped out on me last weekend (my mistake for hitting on chicks infront of her…even tho she said it was cool…but really she’s crazy!) so I’ve got plenty work to do :)

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