Winging For Friends
Greetings from our new digs in LA! This is an exciting OAP:
Learn how to meet women when out with friends
Read of Mystery’s most recent thoughts on how to get your friends to get the girl . . . for you!
Let’s get started!
Most men know that it’s easier to meet women when you are out with friends
than when you’re alone. Friends who know that you are trying to meet women
and who may be doing the same thing themselves are often called “wingmen”
or “wings” in popular culture. Here, we’ll keep it simple — men who are working
with you to meet women are FRIENDS.
The most important thing is to work WITH your Friend, not against him.
Your Friend is NOT your competition. If women see you and your Friend
tripping each other up or fighting for the same woman, they will assume a
few things about you:
You don’t have many friends, since you spend time with someone you
don’t seem to like and respect, (and who doesn’t seem to like and respect you.
You don’t have much going for you, since you spend time with people who
don’t have much value (if you’re putting down your Friend)
You don’t have much success with women. If you did, then you wouldn’t
need to fight someone from your own social circle for a woman you just met.
The common theme in this stuff is that your Friend reflects on you.
Remember way back earlier in the OAP when we talked about how women
use little clues or “tells” to make assumptions about men? Women don’t have
time to get to know all of the potential mates they run into. So they make
assumptions based on the little things that they DO have time to notice
about everyone. These assumptions are very powerful even though they
are mostly subconscious — often women don’t even realize WHY they are
attracted to a specific man.
Let’s detour through a quick example to refresh your memory. Women want
successful men. Men realize this, and this is why some of them exaggerate
their wealth and status. Most women are hit on so often that they don’t listen
to every man’s story to evaluate whether it seems true. They use shortcuts.
For example, women key in on open body language. Why is this? Men who are
successful tend to be self-confident. (Yes, there are lots of exceptions). Self-confident
men tend to have confident, open body language, like holding their head high or
keeping their shoulders back. Body language is always on display and women
notice it instantly. So a man with confident body language will attract more women,
even though there is nothing inherently attractive about holding your head high
or keeping your shoulders back. It’s just that women have learned over time that men
who do this (or any one of thousands of other indicators of confidence) are more
likely to have the deeper characteristics that they are looking for.
What also helps women here is that fewer men know how and why to act with confident
body language than know how to exaggerate their incomes. That’s why we spend so much time at the bootcamps teaching each student how to express confidence with their
body language. We teach you to “fake it ’til you make it” because once you’ve gotten a bit of success with “faking” confident body language you will develop natural confidence in your abilities with women and you will come across as confident without thinking about it. When you change your behavior, your thoughts and feelings will eventually follow.
Back to our original situation. Women make assumptions about you based on your social circle and friendships. Successful men interact mostly with other successful people. If you’re at a restaurant with Brad Pitt, many women will want to meet you. Even if they have no chance at Brad, they’ll be curious about someone who is so cool that Brat Pitt counts you among his friends. Contrast this to you going out with a generic-looking accountant (khakis, tucked in shirt, nothing stylish or adventurous). Women will be far less interested in you — even though YOU haven’t changed — because they will infer things about you, your friends, and your lifestyle.
All of this goes to explain why you want your Friend to have value when you’re out together. Never cut him down. Act around him as if he were a movie star who is also a good friend — as if he were a movie star, and it’s totally normal for you to be hanging but with movie stars.
Got it? Good. Now let’s look at some specific ways you and your Friend can make each other look great.
The pre-introduction. This is one of the most crucial parts of being out with a Friend. When you approach a group of people, the subject of “who are you here with” should come up. This is a fantastic opportunity. Build him up to have value. If I’m out with Sinn,
I’ll say that he’s a successful stand-up comic and radio host, former star athlete, etc.
If I’m with Savoy, I’ll say that he’s the smartest guy I know, always knows where the cool party is, used to date Miss South Africa, etc., and so on. Building up your friend when he is NOT around has much more of an effect than when he IS around.
When your Friend does join your group, he will have instant attraction.
Interact with each other. Say you and your Friend are talking to two women. During some of that time, you two should be talking to each other, as opposed to both of your focused only on the women, 100% of the time. This shows that your friends have value to you, that you’re not completely taken by the women you are talking to, etc. You can even talk ABOUT the women you’ve met with your Friend —
it’s a great opportunity to tease them or not to introduce a venue change (e.g., Samurai: “Hey, Francis, I’m hungry. Let’s go get sushi.” Francis: “Cool. [to the women] Hey you guys should tag along, we’re going to my friend’s restaurant, they have killer sake you’ve got to try [takes women by the hand and leads them]”
Give your Friend a boost. Not all interactions go well. If I’m out with Samurai, and we’re talking to two women, and it’s going VERY well for him and his woman, but not as well for me, then Samurai could say something to the woman he’s talking to, like “I’d love to stay and talk.I’m really curious about you.but your friend is kind of being weird to my friend and I don’t want him to get bored”. His woman will likely instantly elbow my woman in the ribs and tell her to be nicer to me. Continue gaming from there.
Enter the group properly. Don’t enter the group together. One of you should go in,
and then the other comes in later. You may need a simple code to let your Friend know
whether he should stay in the group or not. Generally, you will always want your Friend in, for the reasons we’ve already talked about. However, what if the group you entered is one man, two women, and you were just about to pull one of the women somewhere else to isolate her. Adding an extra man at this point is awkward, and unnecessary, assuming that the other woman and the other man are getting along. One system that I like is if I put my left hand into a fist when my Friend comes into the group, he knows I don’t want him to stay. Anything else, and he can stay.
Escalate physically in sync. Women don’t like their friends to think that they are
“easy”. But easy is not an objective standard — it’s almost completely relative.
Whoever sleeps with her guy first is the easy one, whether it’s 3 hours or 3 days or
3 months. So, if you and a Friend meet two women and take them home, separate them
so they can’t see each other. Then escalate. Moan loudly — make a lot of noise so it’s
obvious to the other couple that you guys are getting physical. Then your Friend’s woman
won’t feel cheap if she lets him escalate, and when he or his woman also makes noise,
it will reassure your woman that it’s ok.
Respect “the rules“. Whoever is the first one to approach a group gets to choose
which woman he will attract. No exceptions. Sometimes you need to talk to the less
interesting woman for an hour to give your Friend the time to succeed with his woman.
He’ll do the same for you. No matter how much you like the woman your Friend is talking
to, you cannot steal her away. Trust me, once you get good at this, you’ll realize that there
more than enough beautiful women to go around.
Know anyone who could benefit from the ideas in this OAP? Send them a copy!
Mystery has recently written a great post on The Forum about this subject.
Some of the acronyms and terminology may be a bit advanced for where we are in
the OAP. If you don’t follow everything he says, just hold onto this email. It will be clearer
in 6 months.
I prefer going in alone. When you go in with your wing, you smack of all the
others who did that.
Let me take a moment to explain two ways of going in; the BAD WAY and then
the GOOD WAY.
First the BAD way:
You go into an FF 2set with your wing. your wing runs interference on the
obstacle while you work the target. problem. if your wing cant keep it up, when the
obstacle is disengaged she will think you have as little value as he. she will immediately
drag the target away, even if the target likes you.
The GOOD way:
You go in alone. work it like a 2set. neg the target, dhv to the obstacle
(so the target can hear the spikes). then accomplishment intro your wing
BEFORE he enters by saying, “I’m here with friends. In fact, Im going to introduce you to ,
he’s the one who .” then work your A2 material, get into A3, lock in and have your wing
ONLY come in once you are locked in. And if he doesn’t come around, use this as a
reason to find him with two women on your arms (heating all sets witness to this display).
ok now that he is in (he may have used, “Did you tell them about …” and you will catch
him up to speed on what routine he is on when he entered by saying, “Yeah …
and they said the dogs should be named Siskel & Ebert!”) the wing should work
the TARGET! what? thats right! he works the target … FOR YOU! You arent getting along
with her anyways (you will have put her through A2 haa, and A3 means she has to WORK
to win you over hee) and you then isolate the obstacle! what? you cant isolate in a 2set.
thats right, but its NOT a 2set is it? when your wing came in (or any other person) the
2set turned into a 3set. so you could isolate. in isolation, you will continue to speak
VERY HIGHLY of your friend. You will do this for a specific reason: when he later engages her,
you want it to stick. so your wing will, since he knows its your set (the one who opens
the set leads the set), run an AI (accomplishment intro) for you. Now, because you
entered alone (DHV), you made the obstacle accept you (DHV), you are hanging with a
person of high social value (DHV), and that person thinks highly of you (DHV) giving her
your background (DHV spiked). So now you can get the wing to speak to the obstacle and
you can isolate the target who is now chock full of DHVs. Your wing will control the
obstacle due to your AI of him to her. Your target will be attracted. now all you have
to do is complete A3 and begin an isolated C1 with kino escalation and bang you are
on your way to a new GF.
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