RSD”S Tyler Durden on Openers

Tyler Turden just sent me this short post about his take on openers, specifically opinion openers. Many people wonder if openers will still work with the exposure they’ve gotten via “The Game” and VH1’s Pick-up Artist. You can always count on RSD’s Tyler Durden for a unique perspective on anything related to the seduction community.

An Overview of Opinion Openers by Tyler Durden

Opinion openers were popularized in 2003 by yours truly.

I heard the “I need a female opinion on something” somewhere, tested it out, and started using it as a prefix to many of my openers. Over the next three years it became used by pretty much everybody. These days there are a lot of questions on them…… “Are opinion-openers still cool? Are they outdated?”

Anyway, a few 100% unbiased PROS and CONS to demystify this whole deal…


1- You can stop big, moving groups of girls with them.

2- You can start conversations with guy/girl groups without tripping out the guy.

3- You can approach at 5AM on dark, creepy streets more easily than “Hey I’m Tyler…”

4- You can yell down girls from across the bar to come over and answer a question for you.

5- MOST IMPORTANT: It gives girls an excuse to talk to you… That goes for both lack of intelligence (many attractive girls
are incapable of holding a conversation however if you give them an easy topic they can speak on it) as well as giving her to
option to say to her over-protective friends “I’m just answering his question!!”


1- Doesn’t call upon the girls to be “contributive” in terms of their mental energy being expended, so can make it difficult to
transition into back-and-forth conversation.

2- You may get “stuck” on the opener because you can’t think of anything to say beyond it, and if you don’t transition off of the opener fast enough then as soon as the conversation winds down in resolution there will be a noticeable “dip” in the energy level and the girl will instinctively walk off (girls tend to interpret any dip in energy as a loss in attraction).

3- Mentally, you associate your opener as the type used by “one of those newbie newrock-wearing lair chodes” and therefore you feel like a retard using them, which causes them not to work because you lack conviction or even cringe using them… They will also come across as “fake” and “contrived” if you lack 100% congruence, and that can be tricky if the opener is not actually something you’re curious to hear their opinions about.

4- Does absolutely nothing to teach you social skills in a non-anonymous/non-club environment… If you go to a party you
feel a knee-jerk reaction to bust out an opinion opener which causes you to become “One of those weird guys who you have to keep away from the party because he runs around spitting canned material and can’t chill with people…”

5- Breeds terrible habits as a newbie because you become an external validation junkie and can’t hold your state unless
you’re getting constant laughs and buying temperature.

As a result you’re permanently blocked from ever opening by just introducing yourself (a perfectly awesome way of opening) because you’re scanning for indicators of interest and not getting them and it’s messing with your internal calibration — even though attraction right off the opener is totally unnecessary.

As you guys know I’m always evolving in how I approach women and how I teach.

I still think openers can be cool, but IMHO they *must* be mixed in and taught with a *variety* of other openers, including……

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About Bobby Rio I'm Bobby Rio, one of the founders of TSB. I tend to write about what is on my mind so you'll find a mix of self development, social dynamics and dating articles/experiences.  For a collection of some of my favorite articles check them out.

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