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Lately, guys are all complaining about how seduction is going “Main Stream” and sites like ours or shows like Mystery VH1 will “destroy” the community. What a bunch of bullsh*t! The only guys who are worried about this are the ones who generally have little or no Inner Game. Men who have established their own Inner Game are not fazed about pick-up secrets being revealed because they ARE the game.
You can’t build it backwards.
Although the routines and lines will get you started, it’s not enough to be a REAL MAN that women desire. I am not talking about a PUA, someone who can kiss close in 30 seconds or the maker of a new awesome groundbreaking system that got Joe Blow from Arkansas a lay within an hour of trying it.
Simply a MAN. In fact, the term PUA has lost a lot of credibility in my eyes; everyone is a “PUA” these days. It reminds me of the real estate business which I am very familiar with where everyone is teaching a course and bla bla…
Being able to attract and seduce women is a skill that is usually tied directly to confidence in oneself, not cool stories. I would think any person would eventually break down or feel like a creep unless they could make the transition in their head from the fake stories to their real life stories. Let me rephrase that, any decent human being “should” feel like a creep or eventually break down if they are walking around pitching canned material forever. This is why you have to have your inner game in check before you run around screaming out every opener you know to whoever will listen.
Learn the Process not the Lines
Learn how to attract women naturally. Learn about women and what they like, read Cosmo Magazine, WATCH Sex in the City
If you want to learn about something then you have to study it like you would anything else. If you like the subject (women) this isn’t a problem. If you don’t genuinely like women, then you shouldn’t be classified as a PUA or even studying seduction. Instead, think of some other counseling first..
My best advice to building your Inner Game
I have learned most of my game from failing and rejection; we learn more when we fail then when we succeed. Go and get beat up and rejected, you will become a stronger man for it.
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April 10, 2008
I will never forget my first time trying this stuff out. I’ve had some really bad rejections.
But once you go that bad, you know you could never go that bad again. It helps with inner game.
My suggestion to everyone: Walk around in something out of your comfort zone.
I did it myself for Neil Strauss’s contest. I walked around a shopping mall/Barnes & Noble Parking Lot in my mom’s summer dress and a batman hood and cape on.
When you don’t give a fuck what people think while you’re wearing that, you learn to not give a fuck when you feel shit your comfortable with.
it really helped. Just my suggestion. By no means do not wear anything obscene that would get your ass kicked or arrested.
-Seraf
April 10, 2008
I like it, but you don’t have to be that extreme.. lol
You know that feeling you get in your gut when you are about to do anything that requires you going out of your comfort zone. Make yourself feel that once a day for a week at least, it’s one of those things that makes you feel alive!
Don’t wait until you’re 30 to wake up and see life for what it really is, A Game. Not that it’s ever too late, just seize the day!
April 10, 2008
On the topic of the community going mainstream, Ross Jeffries and Savoy are going to be on the Dr. Phil Show this Friday, April 11th.
Yummy Stale Bread’s last blog post..Media Coverage of PUAs: Ross Jeffries & Savoy on Dr. Phil
April 10, 2008
I saw you post that YSB, curious as to how they are going to handle the heat. Will they keep their cool or come off arrogant/immature under fire? Thing is, they both teach methods not really inner game.
April 10, 2008
In the end they are both at the mercy of Dr. Phil who had the power to edit the show. Also, judging by the description of the show it doesn’t look like Jeffries or Savoy will be portrayed in a favorable light. I am looking forward to seeing the end result, it should be interesting either way
Yummy Stale Bread’s last blog post..Media Coverage of PUAs: Ross Jeffries & Savoy on Dr. Phil
April 10, 2008
I agree with this 100%. Canned material is great for the first time you meet a girl. But if you want to keep a girl for more than one night you need to work on yourself. women seeing your confidence, passion and ambition will turn then on more than any routine. Knowing who you are and what you want is a big turn on because the majority of guys just flounder around looking for a second mom to tell them what to do.Â
April 10, 2008
Good advice but I put my foot down with watching Sex in the City.  I don’t give a shit if it does amp my game, I’m not watching that shitty ass show. I had a few girls try to get me to watch it with them and I stood my ground and let my nuts hang.
Mack Tight’s last blog post..Dr. Phil Highlights: A flasher gives it to Dr. Phil
April 10, 2008
Well all men know and all women admit that women play their own game - guys are aware a good portion of the time when a girl is gaming him so why shouldn’t girls be aware when guys are gaming them. It still works whether we know they are playing games or not and it will still work for us with a women who has read "the game" for intstance. Mainstream publication may encourage females to develop their game further and deploy it more consiously but then the next mystery will figure it out and find ways of beating that too. Its just a constantly evolving game as it has been since the beginning of time. Too much gaming sucks no matter who’s playing it - natural game should be our ultimate goal.
April 10, 2008
Whether the community continues to become more and more mainstream seems irrelevant to me. The fact of the matter is that ultimately guys need to work on creating a better lifestyle and learning pick-up is only a small part of that. There is a lot of hard work and a lot self inflection involved.Â
The underlying principles of seduction have been known throughout history, this stuff isn’t anything new, it’s just packaged differently. Yet, there are only a small percentage of men who have been truly successful in becoming really good at this stuff. The same applies to our current day. I don’t care how many people know about pick-up because most of them won’t do anything with it.
Matt Savage’s last blog post..Why You Should Light Your Thumb on Fire
April 10, 2008
I have to disagree with your comments regarding "sex and the city" and "Cosmo". Watching/reading that stuff will NOT give you a correct idea of what women want. In fact, that stuff gives you the distorted, unrealistic, bizarro depiction of what women are like. It’s a depiction that’s all too common in pop culture.
April 10, 2008
I read a great article on this about a year ago. I believe it was by Drake but I’m not sure.
Here’s the gist of it.
The mainstream movement of the seduction community actually helps guys out. Seduction isn’t just about picking up women, but bettering both your lifestyle and who you are as a person. Making yourself a better man raises your options, not only in who you want to date but also the people you choose to keep company with (both men and women alike).
Quality men want quality women. The reverse is also true. This is a fact.
Now that more men are improving themselves the same thing begins applying to women. They have to better themselves as well because a quality guy who has inner game knows there are always other options. Certain things just will no longer be tolerated.
Here are a couple examples from my own life.
I was a groomsman at my friend’s wedding about a year ago. They got married, bought a house and she quit her job to run the home. In doing so she also took over the finances. Care to take a guess what this woman did? She gave him an allowance. Outside of gas money he got a budget of $20 a week. Unbelieveable. The marriage lasted six months.
A week ago my best friend proposed to his girl of two years. A very nice ring, I’d guess set him back about 7-8 grand. After the engagement sex, she told him she wanted a larger ring and to take it back. I was speechless when he told me.
So yes, I think the mainstream movement of seduction is a good thing. If you’d like an example go to the mall on a Saturday afternoon and just watch the couples interacting.
Sorry for the long post.
April 10, 2008
Driftwood:
I understand what you are saying about the show and you are right.
Watching Sex and the City and reading Cosmo will help you understand the irrational thinking and emotional roller coasters women are on. Therefore helping you cope with these situations that you might be unfamiliar with when they freak out of nowhere.
I don’t mean watch the show to see what women want, watch the show to see and study women’s behavior in certain situations; specifically when they don’t get what they want.
Learn how to interact with their emotional behaviors.
April 10, 2008
Hey Mack…
You just reminded me of an old Geto Boys song…. "You Gotta Let Your Nuts Hang"
Guys, here’s the funny part and was thinking about writing about this tomorrow…
It’s ALL about you being comfortable with who you are. Once you pass this hurdle, everything else is gravy.
I’ll admit… and anyone that knows me can tell you… I’m not the best dresser… I shave maybe every other day… I get my hair cut once a month at best (I’m busy dammit… lol).
Granted I am in pretty good shape… but here’s the point.
According to everyone that tells you that you have to "look" the part… I’ll generally fail miserably.
Oh… I clean up nice, don’t get me wrong… but my "everyday" look could make National Enquirer… lol.
All this, and guys I know are STILL uncomfortable leaving their newly found "women" around me.
Hell, just the other day… I was out at a bar, looking pretty rough when a friend of a friend was gaming this woman pretty hard. Actually, I think she was more gaming him.
Anyway, through the conversation, I just happened to find that she was into national advertising… which is great because I’ve been looking for more ad avenues since the start of Adonis and with the new site coming out.
Those guys wanted to go somewhere else and I wanted to find out more ad stuff.
They left, she stayed…
When I met up with them a 30 minutes later, the one guy that was talking to her actually asked me if I "got anything" from her…
I’ve already got a girl!
So here I am, looking like shit, talking all business… and this guy… who’s obviously cleaned up better than I am, and who’s no slouch with the ladies either… is worried about ME taking his girl.
Blew my mind.
Of course, it didn’t help that my buddy had told him "I can’t believe you left her there with him… you can kiss that one goodbye"… lol.
I guess what I’m trying to say is that it’s blatantly obvious that I’m comfortable with myself. Do I have some things I could improve upon, sure… who doesn’t?
But the funny thing is that my friends don’t think I ever make mistakes when I’m talking to a woman… but that’s farther that the truth!
I put my foot in my mouth ALL THE TIME. The difference is to me it’s not a big deal and I just keep on keepin’ on… so no one really notices.
It’s my comfort in myself that takes me to the next level. Once I got a hold of that, everything else was easy.
(Sorry for hijacking, I’ve had finger spasms all day :)Â Â )
April 10, 2008
Man, women are so indecisive and complicated.
That’s why they need us men to lead them
-Seraf
April 10, 2008
I just wish that I had learned about the pick-up community a earlier than I did. If I knew all the well known routines back then, I could have built my inner game faster and probably out of sheer boredom I would have replaced scripted game with natural game. But I got in right when it went mainstream so to be honest my inner game has taken a hit after being called out on 3 separate occasions. Fortunately with some of the articles on here and other mediums, I’ve been slowly building back up my inner game.
April 12, 2008
I won’t lie. I am also afraid of all this stuff going main stream.
That reminds me, did anyone see Ross Jefferies and Savoy on Dr. Phil yesterday?
-Seraf
April 12, 2008
Yeah. I’ve always wondered what’s up with the guys freaking out about this. It’s so outside my reality that… I don’t know. I can’t even understand why anyone would freak out of it.
Then again, i haven’t met a single person face-to-face who has these "mainstream fears". So i have no idea what these guys would be like. I’m guessing they don’t leave the house or something?
But I’ve never met a person at a lair or something who says the whole "oh no mainstream is coming to the community, i will never be able to get chicks again OH NO!"… I mean wtf?
April 13, 2008
Ross and Savoy were on Dr. Phil!?!?!?!?!? Please tell me that there is video of this out there because I missed the CNN special with Mystery over Valentine’s Day and I can’t find video of that either. = (
April 13, 2008
The Ross and Savoy on Dr Phil show aired just this past friday. The show was completely biased against men learning this stuff, even if Dr Phil asked neutral questions.
The show was titled, "Women Beware." Some people just don’t understand why men like us need to learn this stuff. We weren’t born with social skills. They had to be taught to us.
-Seraf
April 13, 2008
That just makes me wanna hate Dr. Phil even more, lol. But that’s what most people in the media percieve the seduction "arts". They all think its guys trying to bang lots of women when really its about making our lives better as a whole, becoming confident, and as Style says, "becoming our best self".
April 13, 2008
eh, i dont think anyone watches dr phil to actually LEARN anything. they just watch him to have what they already think backed up by psychobabble.
May 31, 2008
The Art of Seduction has been around for centuries. Over the last decade, this concept has become packaged into commercial products, a lot of them of poor quality. While a lot of guys will study this stuff, only a very small percentage will become good at it, and this will always be the case, as it is in any other art! This stuff cannot be book learned, or by watching DVD’s. That is where the difference is. Very few guys are out there in the field developing themselves outside their comfort zones to improve their skills in this arena. I would never worry about this going mainstream.
September 6, 2008
I am really not worried about things going mainstream. Even if things do go that route, then even if guys know about seduction not that many people would actually put the work to master the technique anyway. All that will happen is that people will use less stupid pick up lines.
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