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Here’s a question from a traveling PUA…
Looking for some advice here, brother. So I’m in China, and of course there is a cute girl on the trip with me who I’m plotting on. By way of background, she’s a Midwestern (Chicago) girl who seems fairly straitlaced but is very down to earth, not a princess at all (no complaining about the heat, handles her end on excursions, etc.), and not attached to anyone special back home, at least not claiming a boyfriend.
She hangs out with this one little group of girls all the time, so of course if i want to run game i have to be subtle about it and include them in activities as well. We have gone out to breakfast once just the two of us, but of course it’s all very friendly. On my end, I’ve been careful to not overexpose myself by not always being around them and generally playing the independent guy role by only hanging with them if they were doing something of interest to me, and otherwise going off alone.
To be honest, she’s not giving me a whole lot of interest signals. We had a good convo at breakfast and she laughs at my jokes and the usual crap, but there’s not a whole lot of buying signals coming my way. She does seem a little less comfortable around me than the other guys on the trip and seems to avoid a whole lot of direct eye contact. This could either mean that she’s digging me and just shy or that she thinks I am sketchy. If it were the latter, though, I feel like she’d just avoid me. I’m not quite sure how to flush the thing out or negotiate a conversion.
And yes, I am in fucking China, climbing the Great Wall and dining in the land of emperors, and this is what is occupying my thoughts.
Answer:
You are never going to be 100% sure until you try to put your tongue in her mouth. The exception is if you are on an “official” date where it’s clear she’s interested in you.
Two key points:
1. Isolation. I’m sure you already know about this. Even if she does like you, she will be more hesitant to do anything if a group of her friends are watching.
2. Nighttime. It’s 10 times easier to get things going at a bar at night than during brunch. While alcohol will not increase her attraction for you, it will make her more comfortable by lowering her guard.
If I was out there in China, i’d tell her something like, “Hey so-and-so told me about this interesting bar a few blocks away. How about we grab a drink there later?”
If she is attracted to you then you are giving her an easy opportunity to say yes to. Then you can have her alone like on a normal date, talk, touch, and then make out with her by the end. But if she gives you some excuse and doesn’t counter offer, she’s probably not down and it’s time to move on. And hey as a white man in China I doubt you’ll have much trouble with the natives.
Roosh is the author of Bang, a 60,000 word guide to getting laid that we review here. He recently contributed his First Date Survival Guide as part of the 31 Days To Better Game series.
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August 8, 2008
Spot on, you can’t move forward unless you isolate, otherwise it’s an uphill battle.
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August 16, 2008
Hey man, not sure if you’re still in china, or if you got the girl or not. But a few things. First, I would try to make friends with other people on the trip. That way you’ll have social proof, maybe preselection, and most importantly you’ll show her that you have a tribe that she will want to belong to. And second, try the classic- win over her friends while neging her.
August 20, 2008
“She does seem a little less comfortable around me than the other guys on the trip and seems to avoid a whole lot of direct eye contact. ”
In my experience many women who behave like this have major attraction for you. They seem fidgety/uncomfortable/nervous with you because they are getting one-itis for you and when that happens the ‘game’ that girls play with us goes to ratshit. She finds it impossible to act ‘cool’ with you. When she’s like that she has a lump in her throat and her heart is beating and she is scared of f**ing up in your presence. Take this is a ‘Go Go Go’ and esclate the flirting, teasing, and direct kino see where it takes you.